**** Mon Feb 10 00:29:50 2003
<Drakker>	Blacky_: are paralax scrolling background planned to be added in the future?
<Blacky_>	of course
<Blacky_>	we could do a lot of things by moving to OpenGL
<Drakker>	okay, kewl, cuz my sprites are ready for that :)
<Blacky_>	but I think there are more important things first to do
<Drakker>	yes, I agree
<Drakker>	but I'll still keep transparency on walls so we can add a generic background in the meantime
<tokugawa>	moving to opengl will force me to install hw drivers :)
<Drakker>	whats your video card?
<tokugawa>	nv
<Drakker>	hmm, 2 downloads, "make" two times, add nvidia to xf86config and youre done
<Drakker>	simple as that :)
<tokugawa>	yes, i know
<Drakker>	then why do you need something to force you? ;)
<tokugawa>	but xfree drivers are sooo stable, having good DGA suport
<Drakker>	I see.. I havent had any problem with stability personnaly
<tokugawa>	but ok, i will have two X-servers, one with desktop, another only for games :)
<Blacky_>	wow, discussion on #eounicorn, nell would be so happy
<Drakker>	thats a good solution, I know someone who does that and it works fine
<Blacky_>	it's sad she can't see first discussion on her channel
<Blacky_>	I will log everything and send her
<Drakker>	we can log it :)
<Blacky_>	so she will be happy when she wake up tommorow
<tokugawa>	Blacky_: do the log 
<tokugawa>	send it to me too :)
<Blacky_>	we could put it on WWW
<Drakker>	haha
<Blacky_>	that's a historical moment
<tokugawa>	^_^
<Drakker>	is there anywhere you wrote your to do list?
*	Drakker would like to consult it
<Blacky_>	there is very long documentation on WWW, written mostly by Lion
<Blacky_>	development of eounicorn was very active about half year ago
<tokugawa>	about eou, glSDL, or 'native' openGL ?
<Blacky_>	then we lost time, so it stopped for many months
<Blacky_>	documentation about eounicorn
<Blacky_>	you should also read mailing list archive
<Blacky_>	it's very interesting stuff
<Blacky_>	everything is on sf project page
<Drakker>	all of them :)
<Drakker>	okay i'll consult it
<Blacky_>	great
<Drakker>	Nell already sent me a link with the details from Lion
<Blacky_>	start from first posts, then just read titles of others
<Drakker>	who is team "leader", nell?
<Blacky_>	yes, she is main author
<Drakker>	okay
<Blacky_>	the game was born when I told nell about creating simple shooter
<Blacky_>	she agreed and started to code
<Drakker>	okay, nice :)
<tokugawa>	my gf, only heard about nice pascal coder (me:))) and she thought about catch me up ... so this is my lovestory in short
<Drakker>	hehe
<Drakker>	my gf doesnt love me for me coding skills... I suppose thats a good thing *grins*
<Blacky_>	tokugawa: is she interested in programming at all?
<tokugawa>	Blacky_: what do you mean ?, she like to watch "on my things from nothing", but she don't code
<Blacky_>	I see
<tokugawa>	so Drakker my gf don't love me for coding skills too :)
<Drakker>	hehe =)
<Drakker>	actualy we met in a group of anime drawing
<tokugawa>	Drakker: anime you say .....
<Drakker>	ya, but I dropped the pen long ago *grins*
<Drakker>	she still draws though
<Drakker>	http://members.fortunecity.com/hazyrayn/
<tokugawa>	Drakker: do you know Shirow's AppleSeed (manga, anime is worse)?
<Drakker>	never heard of that
<tokugawa>	Drakker: ghost in the shell (It's also a Shirow's one)?
<Drakker>	that I know... but believe it or not, I never saw it hehe
<Drakker>	I've seen tons of crap no one ever heard about, but I havetn seen ghost in the shell and akira yet :)
<tokugawa>	Drakker: ok, the appleseed rulz, everybody say "gits is great", yes IT is great, but i love appleseed
<Drakker>	I'll have to check that out
<Drakker>	but now that my ISP has a download cap, I cant download much stuff anymore :\
<tokugawa>	Drakker: i c, i'll try to show you Masamune's state of art
*	tokugawa is googling, stand by
<Drakker>	k
*	Drakker is mostly into humoristic anime
<tokugawa>	Drakker: Video Girl Ai ? 
<Drakker>	I saw that, pretty good ;)
<Drakker>	but, in the same style, DNA2 was even better :)
<Drakker>	lots of stuff in the mailing list archive...
<tokugawa>	Drakker: that my boy, YES DNA2 ...... i saw ALL episodes at ONCE night
<tokugawa>	Drakker: VG and DNA are my faworite humoristic anime
<Drakker>	hehe, well, my favorite would have to be El Hazard OAV
<Drakker>	fujisawa rocks :)
<Drakker>	but DNA2 is very close to the top
<Blacky_>	You have to know Lion is anime fan too.
<Blacky_>	I never liked Anime.
<Blacky_>	Anyway, while I was for rendered tiles (like rings and arrows in current version) Lion was always for "pixelart".
<Blacky_>	You can read all our discussions on mailing list and have fun ;-)
<Drakker>	yeah, but its pretty time consuming :)
<Drakker>	I'll try to read a few once in a while though
<tokugawa>	Blacky_: i prefer pixel-art too, for that type of games
*	Drakker likes pixelart better too, prolly why I like to do it ;)
<Drakker>	the problem with rendered tiles is that you need a VERY good modeler
<Blacky_>	oh shit
<Blacky_>	nell didn't set autovoice yet
<Blacky_>	she was very tired today
<Blacky_>	or you just unregisted Drakker
<Blacky_>	Drakker: please /msg nickserv help
<Blacky_>	so it's set, but you must register your nick, Drakker
<Drakker>	oh, yeah
<Drakker>	hmm, I forgot my nickserv password, its on my dead puter...
<Drakker>	guess you'll have to voice me for a week or two :}
<Blacky_>	I see
<Blacky_>	you could change nick then
<Drakker>	no way hehe
<Drakker>	why is the channel moderated anyway?
<Blacky_>	that's her idea
<Drakker>	hmm, well, I see no point in it :\
<Blacky_>	our home channel (#apcoh) is moderated too, it's set for fun
<Drakker>	well, it could drive away our potential fans ;)
<Blacky_>	we will moderate later then
<Blacky_>	you could greet all fans now, because this log will be placed on WWW
<Drakker>	hehe
<Drakker>	hello fans of the mighty unicorn, I'm the latest recruit here ;)
<tokugawa>	i'm the lastest one
<Blacky_>	you can't be sure who is latest, because nell found many people last few days
<tokugawa>	anyway, i'm glad that you found me Blacky_
<Drakker>	okay :)
<Blacky_>	nell told me you were happy 
<Drakker>	whats your job tokugawa?
<Drakker>	and Blacky_, I guess youre a coder?
<tokugawa>	in eou ? for now, i'm a tester, but maybe i will do something about 'monster lock with walls'
<Blacky_>	I mostly coder and designer. I did few pictures but I really don't like to draw.
<Drakker>	okay
<Blacky_>	I probably create music module in future.
<Blacky_>	But I listen to heavy music and it may be not good for everyone ;-)
<Drakker>	well, different stages need different music :)
<tokugawa>	do amazon.com works outside us ?
<Drakker>	have you started working on physics for levels that are outside of the water?
<tokugawa>	USA i mean
<Drakker>	dunno, but last time I checked, they didnt ship to canada :\
<Blacky_>	Drakker: physics is same everywhere
<Blacky_>	Drakker: but that's good idea to make unicorn not fly on ground
<Blacky_>	Drakker: i.e. it will "swim" in water, but "run" instead "fly" on ground
<Blacky_>	but there are ground levels already
<Blacky_>	if you are interested in devel you could check how to create another map, or at least how to switch them
<tokugawa>	jump's and this sort of things ?
<tokugawa>	jumps... heh
<Blacky_>	currently no jumps
<Blacky_>	only "fly"
<tokugawa>	i c
<Blacky_>	the main problems with our both games is lack of artists, we could write code, but we need more graphics
<Blacky_>	in eounicorn sprites are needed, and in decopter textures are needed
<Blacky_>	so after creating gfx development will jump forward
<tokugawa>	so.. i'll try make my own graphics for my projects
<tokugawa>	not to disturb artists
<Blacky_>	imho that's bad idea :-)
<Blacky_>	we need all gfx
<tokugawa>	i suppose i'm worse artist than you
<Blacky_>	nobody is worse in drawing thanme
<tokugawa>	I will try to dig in eou collision code 
<tokugawa>	and i have an ai draft for decopter's birds (naprawde nie wiem jak są pterodaktyle)
<Blacky_>	pterodactyl
<tokugawa>	Blacky_: i wasn't sure :)
<Blacky_>	one person from south africa is interested in doing AI stuff
<Blacky_>	but he hasn't write me for few weeks
<Blacky_>	I must first defeat Java demons
<Blacky_>	then I could back to development of both games
<tokugawa>	from 10:00 to 15:00, egzam, later.... back to developing
*	Blacky_ need to go to sleep now
<Blacky_>	I will send this log to nell after I quit
<Blacky_>	bye bye everyone and happy hacking!
**** Mon Feb 10 01:49:36 2003