**** Sun Feb  9 19:54:24 2003
19:55:57 <nell> hi
19:56:04 <nell> let's wait for Blacky
19:56:17 <Drakker> nell: well, first I'd need some time to study the code
19:56:24 <nell> can you repeat a short description of your 'tileset idea' to him?
19:56:35 <Drakker> and I'm more interested by doing graphics than coding :}
19:56:35 <Drakker> but in a pinch, I can code
19:56:45 <nell> Drakker: it's obvious, and you'll have that time 
19:57:02 <nell> Drakker: I think you should do a simple trick on sf.net
19:57:45 <nell> Drakker: let's leave you with graphics now, it is more desired than code developement
19:58:13 <nell> that trick is a project monitoring system
19:58:23 <Drakker> yeah?
19:58:27 <Drakker> anyway, with 7 team members, I expect a couple of you to be coders :)
19:58:33 <nell> go on you sf.net account page
19:58:45 <nell> than go to the eounicorn main page
19:58:46 <Drakker> okay
19:58:46 <Drakker> lemme load /my
19:59:05 <nell> then find a table with Notes/Monitor and click on the envelope
19:59:06 <Drakker> done
19:59:27 <nell> Blacky_: Drakker will explain to you his idea of tilesets
19:59:30 <nell> Blacky_: ok?
19:59:37 <nell> Blacky_: it won't take long
19:59:48 <Drakker> nice :)
20:00:01 <nell> Drakker: done?
20:00:20 <nell> Drakker: thanks to that trick you will always know about each new release made by me :)
20:00:27 <Blacky_> ok, but I won't remember it now
20:00:27 <Blacky_> but try
20:00:34 <Drakker> yup
20:00:34 <nell> Blacky_: it is simple
20:00:41 <Drakker> kewl :)
20:00:50 <nell> Drakker: I can send your example of a tileset to Blacky, ok?
20:00:58 <nell> kewl :)
20:01:18 <Drakker> yeah, I can send it too :)
20:01:26 <nell> Drakker: ok, send it to him
20:01:26 <Drakker> I expected this exemple to be used to devlop the tileset code
20:01:37 <nell> Drakker: and start describing the idea
20:01:43 <Drakker> Blacky_: basicaly, for each level, were gonna use 2 tilesets
20:01:43 <Drakker> one for walls, one for backgrounds
20:01:51 <Blacky_> 2 tilesets?
20:02:11 <nell> Blacky_: tileset = e.g. 256x256 with all 32x32 tiles one by one 
20:02:24 <Drakker> I'm sending an exemple tileset to you
20:02:43 <Blacky_> hmmmmmm
20:02:43 <Drakker> when you read a tileset, you check the width and the height, and divide it by 32, it give you the number of tiles in the set
20:03:05 <Blacky_> are you sure it need to be in one picture?
20:03:05 <Drakker> yes, its faster
20:03:15 <nell> Blacky_: it won't colide with XML code fortunately
20:03:16 <Drakker> and later in devlopment, when we got 10+ levels
20:03:16 <Blacky_> faster when?
20:03:26 <Drakker> having 500 different tiles in a folder is gonna be hell
20:03:37 <nell> Blacky_: the naming is easier
20:03:38 <Drakker> and its easier to load a single file, and faster, than load 100 tiles for a level
20:03:58 <Blacky_> ok
20:03:58 <nell> Blacky_: I think that each object's animation should be in one pic too
20:04:04 <Drakker> beside, it uses less inodes this way :)
20:04:04 <Blacky_> it doesn't matter to me, just do data :)
20:04:18 <Drakker> well, in game, and for the level editor its MUCH easier to use
20:04:25 <Drakker> you add a tile, if it comes from wall, it blocks the player
20:04:31 <Drakker> you could add for exemple, tile 5,6
20:04:39 <Blacky_> we could use ImageMagick to montage all sprites in one
20:04:47 <Blacky_> that's a good idea I think
20:04:55 <Drakker> which means the tile situed at (5*32)-32 pixels by (6*32)-32 pixels
20:05:16 <Blacky_> but we will lost some disk space because sometime sprites are same
20:05:16 <Drakker> you then blit it and youre done
20:05:16 <Blacky_> anyway as I told - just data, and it will be used
20:05:24 <Drakker> and you use only 2 canvas this way, one for the background and one for the walls
20:05:32 <Blacky_> I see blue wall, good work
20:05:48 <Drakker> Blacky_: no, we can still reuse sprite... and it will be defined in the xml file
20:05:58 <Blacky_> Drakker: it's good you said you can do tiles for game on #gametome :_)
20:05:58 <Blacky_> Drakker: is it your first project?
20:06:07 <Drakker> basicaly, animations would be store in a file with all the sprites side to side
20:06:27 <Blacky_> that will be less files and better design of datafiles
20:06:27 <Drakker> yes and no, I started a few projects for myself, but I can do coding + graphics + level design + testing all alone ;)
20:06:37 <Blacky_> so OK I am on it
20:06:37 <Drakker> thats why I wanted to join a project hehe
20:06:47 <Blacky_> good, we need active people
20:06:57 <Drakker> and I've read a LOT of game development stuff ;)
20:07:08 <Blacky_> are you been added to project page already?
20:07:08 <Drakker> yup
20:07:19 <Blacky_> great
20:07:41 <Drakker> on my "yes and no" line, the "can" is "can't" ;)
20:08:44 <nell> Drakker: you don't have to do it all alone, there are we who are going to do some stuff :)
20:08:57 <Drakker> so, basicaly, we have one tileset for backgrounds, one tileset for walls
20:08:57 <Drakker> and a tileset for every enemy
20:09:23 <Drakker> yeah, thats why I wanted to join an active project, so I can concentrate on only one part of the game :)
20:09:40 <nell> Blacky_: OLAF!
20:10:08 <Drakker> of course, animated tiles will have to be treated separatly, just like enemies
20:10:20 <nell> Drakker: you are good source of good ideas :)
20:10:22 <Drakker> but I suppose its not a problem
20:10:36 <Blacky_> nell: ...
20:10:42 <nell> Drakker: for now I think that graphics is the most needed 
20:11:04 <Drakker> olaf, nell, sounds like advance wars to me :)
20:11:18 <Drakker> nell: thanks, I know a lot of theory... but I dont have that much experience on the ground
20:11:33 <Drakker> basicaly, when I started a project, I coded some, then got bored, worked on graphics, and moved to something else
20:11:47 <Drakker> and I enjoyed the graphics more than coding :)
20:12:54 <nell> the eounicorn developement was slowed much because of lack of good graphics design and graphics stuff
20:13:47 <nell> Drakker: what do you think about replacing some of existing animations? I would tell you which one I want to throw away ... and it would be the simplest way now to placed the in the game
20:13:51 <Drakker> okay, I'll do my best to make great graphics :)
20:13:55 <nell> no prolems with the namings
20:14:27 <Drakker> though, I could work some on water till it looks good
20:14:27 <Drakker> then work on another tileset, that is not in water, so you can begin to code the out of water physics if its not already done
20:14:31 <Drakker> no problem :)
20:14:39 <Drakker> shall I make them into tilesets right away?
20:14:45 <nell> no no
20:14:48 <nell> no t yet
20:14:49 <Drakker> okay
20:14:56 <Drakker> :)
20:15:01 <nell> maybe after a week it will be possible
20:15:02 <nell> not now
20:15:09 <Drakker> okay
20:15:15 <nell> I need the time for other things now
20:15:28 <nell> all you have to do
20:15:32 <Drakker> well, first one my to do list, would be to complete my blue tileset (Its almost done, a few hours needed)
20:15:39 <nell> is to save the same names
20:15:41 <Drakker> then I could make a few underwater backgrounds
20:15:43 <nell> let's see
20:15:47 <Drakker> then make new animations
20:16:04 <nell> very well
20:16:26 <Drakker> oh, I wanted to ask, by the way, would you like light water background like the one we have now, or a dark background, so it looks like deep dark caves?
20:17:45 <nell> I like the idea of the dark deep sea water, but we must make sure, that he objects will be vissible well with such a bg
20:18:05 <Drakker> if the bg is very dark, the objects will be very apparent
20:18:06 <nell> maybe you could make nice animation of light in the water
20:18:18 <Drakker> hmmm, surre, that should not be too hard :)
20:18:31 <Drakker> though, it would need to be alpha blended OVER everything else for it to look realist
20:19:34 <Drakker> else, I can make a background image with it, but it would not look nearly as good
20:20:01 <nell> yea, but alpha seperate layer is the far OpenGL future ...
20:20:12 <Drakker> you can do it with SDL
20:20:16 <Drakker> theres alpha blending functions
20:20:21 <nell> you must concentrate with the simple 32x32 tile composition
20:20:40 <nell> you can use them even like a puzzles
20:20:46 <nell> s/a//
20:20:47 <Drakker> okay, I'll do my best :)
20:20:59 <Drakker> thats will mean that the tileset for backgrounds will be HUGE... but its not a problem :)
20:21:06 <Drakker> we got ample memory on PC hehe
20:21:19 <nell> just to put the different  tiles in the special order on the map
20:21:36 <nell> yes :)
20:21:44 <Drakker> I'll recycle tiles too, if I do a / angle its possible to recycle a couple
20:25:13 <nell> are you going to work on the background now? or shall I send you a list of objects to be fixed?
20:31:29 <Drakker> send the list :)
20:31:45 <Drakker> I'll do the work I got to do, and start on the tiles in a few hours
20:32:12 <nell> ok, fine
20:32:26 <nell> CYLA
20:32:34 <Drakker> see ya later :)
20:32:35 <nell> get the mail soon
20:32:40 <Drakker> k
20:32:51 <Drakker> (shall we keep this channel open all the time?)
20:35:32 <nell> we could, but I don't have 24h working server
20:35:45 <nell> maybe I could make a session form other account
20:35:49 <nell> let me see
20:37:27 <nell> hello :)
20:37:27 <tokugawa> :)
20:37:59 <nell> tokugawa: meet Drakker, the graphics artist working for eounicorn 
20:39:01 <Blacky_> too bad Lion is not here
20:39:21 <tokugawa> Drakker: hi 
20:39:23 <nell> Blacky_: i agree, I am waiting for any signs from him
20:39:46 <nell> he told he is traveling and will be back home at Monday - tomorrrow
20:39:54 <Blacky_> nell: register channel
20:39:57 <Blacky_> nell: /msg chanserv help
20:40:00 <nell> Blacky_: yes
20:40:10 <nell> but I want to leave a session
20:40:15 <nell> or I don't need to?
20:41:00 <Blacky_> no
20:41:03 <Blacky_> session is lame
20:41:48 <nell> done
20:41:55 <nell> the channel is registered
20:41:59 <nell> what next, Blacky_?
20:43:15 <Blacky_> you need to set levels
20:43:21 <Blacky_> use /msg chanserv access list
20:43:50 <Blacky_> ops
20:43:55 <Blacky_> only you now
20:44:03 <Blacky_> now set levels for other people if you want
20:44:06 <Blacky_> but it's not needed
20:44:15 <Blacky_> set autoop for you
20:45:18 <nell> I don't understand levels
20:45:44 <Blacky_> level is number
20:45:52 <Blacky_> higher level is better
20:46:28 <Blacky_> nell: /msg chanserv level #eounicorn list
20:46:42 <Blacky_> nell: set autoop feature
20:47:06 <nell> how can I invite Chanserv here?
20:47:39 <Blacky_> guard
20:48:31 <Blacky_> -ChanServ-     GUARD       Have ChanServ join your channel
20:48:37 <Blacky_> nell: /msg chanserv help set
20:52:33 <Blacky_> brawo
20:56:13 <nell> I still don't know how to make that I will be the op or we all will be ops
20:56:55 <Blacky_> I told you...
20:56:58 <Blacky_> nell: /msg chanserv level #eounicorn list
20:57:27 <nell> I don't understand that command
20:57:34 <nell> Syntax: LEVEL <channel> SET <type|index> <level>
20:57:41 <nell> what does it mean?
20:57:58 <nell> 6     OFF   AUTOOP    Automatic op
20:58:15 <nell> now it is off, yes?
20:58:22 <nell> I can turn it on, yes?
20:58:35 <Blacky_> -ChanServ- Syntax: LEVEL <channel> {SET|RESET|LIST} [index|type [level]]
20:58:39 <Blacky_> -ChanServ- Type: /msg ChanServ HELP LEVEL for more information
20:58:41 <nell> how can I make myself the only op for that channel e.g.?
20:58:52 <Blacky_> uou need to set level for autoop
20:58:54 <Blacky_> for example "10"
20:59:01 <Blacky_> then people with level 10 or higher will be autoopped
20:59:18 <nell> oh, but how can I set peoples levels?
20:59:59 <Blacky_> you  need to access add
21:00:03 <Blacky_> use help access
21:26:17 <Blacky_> hurrej
21:26:20 * Blacky_ ma voice
21:26:20 <Falcon> hi 
21:26:25 <nell> hi
21:26:32 * Falcon nie ma voice
21:26:33 <Blacky_> nell: add all developers
21:26:42 <nell> I will add you, Falcon, to give you autovoice
21:26:42 <Blacky_> Falcon nie developer
21:26:43 <Blacky_> Falcon guest
21:26:54 <nell> but i want to set +m
21:27:36 <nell> ok, I will add only developers, but I will give Falcon voice each time he wishes to join here
21:28:02 <Blacky_> good
21:28:33 <nell> Blacky_: can I ask Chanserv to automaticaly invite all users from access list to the chanel?
21:28:33 <Blacky_> może falcon narysuje albo nagra dĽwięk i będzie też developer potem
21:28:45 <Blacky_> I don't know
21:28:48 <Blacky_> ask on #freenode
21:29:20 <Falcon> jakie dĽwięki s± wam potrzebne?
21:29:35 <Blacky_> wszystkie
21:29:43 <Blacky_> ja planuję nagrać nasze głosy w rodzau "watch out - dragon!"
21:29:51 <Blacky_> albo "you lost and unicorn is DEAD now"
21:30:02 <Blacky_> ale gdyby¶ miał co¶ lepszego to byłoby fajnie
21:32:22 <Blacky_> nell: w chanserv możesz ustawić, aby bronił topica
21:32:28 <Blacky_> nell: albo daj +t
21:32:39 <nell> nie, chanserv juz broni
21:32:43 <nell> sprobuj zmienic
21:33:14 <Blacky_> chyba nie ustawiła¶
21:33:18 <Blacky_> jest opcja do tego
21:33:20 <Blacky_> poszukaj w help
21:36:18 <nell> teraz
21:36:33 <nell> bylo ustawione,ale miales za duze prawa :)
21:37:45 <Blacky_> aha
21:37:53 <Blacky_> dobrze
21:43:46 <Blacky_> good
21:43:49 <nell> no
21:43:53 <nell> no op for me
21:44:02 <nell> I know why
21:44:23 <Blacky_> you need to set autoop first
21:44:29 <Blacky_> but you can op manually
21:44:31 <nell> yep
21:47:27 <nell> -ChanServ- Founder access is required for [LEVEL]
21:47:31 <nell> help!
21:47:44 <Blacky_> ops
21:53:47 <nell> yes!
21:53:52 <nell> works fine now
21:54:08 * nell  - the ruler 
22:00:57 <Drakker> hey hey
22:04:29 <nell> hmm
22:04:41 <nell> I don't like it , Blacky_
22:04:55 <Blacky_> what?
22:04:57 <nell> I must take out your priviliges :)
22:05:03 <Blacky_> ah, op
22:05:06 <Blacky_> you need to read
22:06:01 <nell> What a stupid girl of me!
22:06:46 <nell> Once I dicedes to give you aoutoop, and after a while I forgets about that and worries why did you get it ... (no autocoments)
23:05:56 <Drakker> btw, happy birthday nell :)
23:08:24 <nell> thanks
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